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	<itunes:summary>Podcast highlighting public radio coverage of the economy, the recession, employment, the mortgage crisis and health care issues.</itunes:summary>
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		<title>DeLong: Another Great Depression possible</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Brooks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First we read that market savant Norel Roubini thinks the economy is going nowhere fast. Now we see that UC Berkeley economist Brad DeLong has had a change of heart and pegs the chance of a new Great Depression at 5%. For 2 1/4 years now I have been saying that there is no chance [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First we read that market savant <a href="http://www.economybeat.org/jobs-and-unemployment/roubini-the-worst-is-yet-to-come/">Norel Roubini thinks</a> the economy is going nowhere fast. Now we see that UC Berkeley economist Brad DeLong has had a change of heart and <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/11/chance-of-great-depression-now-5.html">pegs the chance of a new Great Depression</a> at 5%. </p>
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For 2 1/4 years now I have been saying that there is no chance of a repeat of the Great Depression or anything like it&#8211;that we know what to do and how to do it and will do it if things turn south.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I can say that anymore. In my estimation the chances of another big downward shock to the U.S. economy&#8211;a shock that would carry us from the 1/3-of-a-Great-Depression we have now to 2/3 or more&#8211;are about 5%. And it now looks very much as if if such a shock hits the U.S. government will be unable to do a d&#8212;&#8211; thing about it.</p>
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We could cushion the impact of another big downward shock by a lot more deficit spending&#8211;unemployment, after all, goes down whenever anybody spends more (even though sometimes falling unemployment comes at too-high a price in rising inflation), and the government&#8217;s money is as good as anybody else&#8217;s. But the centrist Democratic legislative caucus has now dug in its heels behind the position that we cannot undertake more deficit spending right now because we have a dire structural health-care financing problem after 2030. The Republican legislative causes has now dug in its heels behind the position that the fact that unemployment is 10% shows not that policy earlier this year was too cautious but rather that it was ineffective. And the Obama administration has not been able or has not tried to move either of those groups out of their current entrenchments.</p>
<p>We could cushion the impact of another big downward shock by recapitalizing the banks again. But the failure of the Fed and the Treasury in the aftermath of Lehman to grab a share of the upside from its capital injection and purchase operations for the public in the form of warrants means that there is no coalition anywhere for a repeat or anything like a repeat of propping-up the banking system: the right thinks it is an unwarranted intervention in the free market, the left thinks that it is a giveaway to the undeserving and feckless superrich, and the center is bewildered because it is an enormous and poorly-structured intervention in the market, it is a giveaway to the undeserving and feckless superrich, and the optics are terrible.</p>
<p>So if another big bad shock hits the U.S. economy, what could the Obama administration possibly do?
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<p>Boy, we need to find an economist who has something optimistic to say. May be kind of hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Stimulus debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Brooks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does today&#8217;s negative unemployment report offer evidence that this year&#8217;s giant stimulus bill isn&#8217;t working? And if so, is that because it wasn&#8217;t big enough or because more government spending isn&#8217;t the antidote to what ails us? A sampling of economists&#8217; online opinions shows most sticking to their ideological guns, whatever the make. Robert Reich, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.economybeat.org/jobs-and-unemployment/going-up-unemployment-going-down-optimism/">negative unemployment report</a> offer evidence that this year&#8217;s giant stimulus bill isn&#8217;t working? And if so, is that because it wasn&#8217;t big enough or because more government spending isn&#8217;t the antidote to what ails us? A sampling of economists&#8217; online opinions shows most sticking to their ideological guns, whatever the make.</p>
<p><a href="http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/10/truth-about-jobs-that-no-one-wants-to.html">Robert Reich</a>, for example, is calling for a New Deal-like massive injection of new government spending, the deficit-be-damned:</p>
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So why is unemployment and underemployment so high, and why is it likely to remain high for some time? Because, as noted, people who are worried about their jobs or have no jobs, and who are also trying to get out from under a pile of debt, are not going do a lot of shopping. And businesses that don’t have customers aren’t going do a lot of new investing. And foreign nations also suffering high unemployment aren’t going to buy a lot of our goods and services.</p>
<p>And without customers, companies won&#8217;t hire. They&#8217;ll cut payrolls instead.</p>
<p>Which brings us to the obvious question: Who’s going to buy the stuff we make or the services we provide, and therefore bring jobs back? There’s only one buyer left: The government.</p>
<p>Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need. It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some. This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA.</p>
<p>Yes, I know. Our government is already deep in debt. But let me tell you something: When one out of six Americans is unemployed or underemployed, this is no time to worry about the debt.</p>
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<p>When I was a small boy my father told me that I and my kids and my grand-kids would be paying down the debt created by Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Depression and World War II. I didn’t even know what a debt was, but it kept me up at night. (But) America paid down FDR’s debt in the 1950s, when Americans went back to work, when the economy was growing again, and when our incomes grew, too. We paid taxes, and in a few years that FDR debt had shrunk to almost nothing.</p>
<p>You see? The most important thing right now is getting the jobs back, and getting the economy growing again.</p>
<p>People who now obsess about government debt have it backwards. The problem isn’t the debt. The problem is just the opposite. It’s that at a time like this, when consumers and businesses and exports can’t do it, government has to spend more to get Americans back to work and recharge the economy. Then – after people are working and the economy is growing – we can pay down that debt.</p>
<p>But if government doesn’t spend more right now and get Americans back to work, we could be out of work for years. And the debt will be with us even longer.
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<p>Ex-Federal Reserve economist Arnold Kling did not like the way the U.S. stimulus bill was structured. He writes on <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/10/the_stimulus_de.html">EconLog</a>:</p>
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&#8230;there is a consensus that many countries at different times have tried small stimulus, which failed. An interesting question is whether these stimulus efforts were thought to be small at the time, or whether &#8220;small stimulus&#8221; is what you call a big stimulus after it fails.</p>
<p>Did this year&#8217;s stimulus fail? I think it is too soon to tell. My biggest complaint about this year&#8217;s stimulus has always been that while the bill was enacted this year, most of the spending takes place in the out years. If stimulus works, its effects should be cumulative. If it starts slowly, the effects will accumulate slowly. </p>
<p>If we try to address the weak economy of 2009, and the likely weak economy of 2010, by enacting a big spending boost for 2012 and 2013, that would not be good policy. I hope we can all agree on that.
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<p><a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/10/another-bad-employment-report-i-wish-we-had-a-ripcord-to-pull-department.html">UC Berkeley economics professor Brad DeLong</a> argues that the stimulus bill numbers never added up to an adequate response to the huge gap in economic output the country was experiencing in February.</p>
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&#8230;.an estimate of the appropriate size of expansionary fiscal policy as the situation looked in August 2008: $450 billion in cumulative deficit spending spread out over the next four years. Then came&#8230; Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac&#8230; Lehman Brothers&#8230; AIG&#8230; the recession problem was at least twice as bad as it had looked in August, and over the next four and a half months until the February 17, 2009 signing of the ARRA the magnitude of the likely cumulative output gap doubled again&#8230;. If $450 billion was the appropriate size of a short-term deficit-spending program for the $1,350 billion cumulative output gap anticipated as of August 2008, then simple extrapolation suggests that the appropriate size of the boost to short-term deficit spending as of February 2009 was $1.8 trillion (over three to four years).</p>
<p>What we got was a cumulative number of $600 billion—roughly 1/3 aid to states, 1/3 tax cuts (in a good-faith effort by the Obama administration to propose a bipartisan plan that legislators of both parties could sign on to), and 1/3 infrastructure and other direct government purchases intended not so much to slow the decline as rather to boost the recovery&#8230;. At the technocratic level, the disproportion between the size of the response and the magnitude of the need is obvious.
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<p>But ex-Bush administration economist <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/05/accountability.html">Greg Mankiw</a> sees a stimulus failure in this month&#8217;s report and points to the Obama administration&#8217;s own projections as evidence. In a post called &#8220;Accountability,&#8221; he writes:</p>
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When the Obama stimulus plan was proposed, the president&#8217;s economic team put out a report in January 2009 that purported to show what would happen with and without the fiscal stimulus. The chart above is from page four that report, together with the actual results over the past couple months. As you can see, the actual outcome is significantly worse than the projection with the stimulus plan and is, in fact, roughly on track with what was projected without the stimulus.</p>
<p>What does this mean? One interpretation is that the fiscal stimulus has failed to achieve what Team Obama thought it would. Another interpretation is that the baseline was worse than they believed at the time. I am confident the report authors would adopt the second interpretation. If so, that fact is consistent with what I said in a previous post: In light of the shifting baseline, it is impossible to hold the administration accountable for whether its policies are achieving their intended effects.</p>
<p>To be clear, this lack of accountability is not a feature on this specific administration but is, instead, a reflection of the inherent uncertainties associated with macroeconomics. The administration, however, has not been particularly forthright in admitting to this lack of accountability. Indeed, the act of releasing quarterly reports on how many jobs have been &#8220;created or saved&#8221; gives the illusion of accountability without the reality.
</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;d say &#8220;stimulating conversation&#8221; if it weren&#8217;t all so depressing. </p>
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		<title>Economist blogs Part I</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Brooks</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With so much ink and and so many electronic bytes being devoted to the economy by the media, we thought it would be interesting to see what the professionals &#8212; economists &#8212; have to say about it themselves. Here&#8217;s the first group we took a look at: Grasping Reality with Both Hands &#8211; U.C. Berkeley [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so much ink and and so many electronic bytes being devoted to the economy by the media, we thought it would be  interesting to see what the professionals &#8212; economists &#8212; have to say about it themselves. Here&#8217;s the first group we took a look at: </p>
<li><a href="http://delong.typepad.com/"><strong>Grasping Reality with Both Hands</strong></a> &#8211; U.C. Berkeley economics professor Brad DeLong offers saucy opinions on topics like <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/08/every-day-the-washington-post-publishes-an-angle-has-its-wings-ripped-off-and-bleeds-to-death.html">his antipathy toward Washington Post columnist David Broder</a>, an <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/08/the-birther-movement-of-1377.html">historical antecedent</a> to the Birther movement, and the <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/08/why-orrin-hatch-lies-a-lot-and-pete-domenici-bob-dole-and-chuck-grassley-too.html">current demagoguery</a> on display in the health care free-for-all.</li>
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<li><a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/"><strong>Greg Mankiw&#8217;s Blog</strong></a> &#8211; Mankiw was the chairman of President George W. Bush&#8217;s Council of Economic Advisors and is currently a professor of economics at Harvard. Sub-titled &#8220;Random Observations for Students of Economics,&#8221; Mankiw&#8217;s posts try to make sense of arcane topics like the <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/08/wonky-talk-about-carbon-taxes.html">carbon tax</a> and the <a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-reform-simple-or-not.html">core reasons behind the great schism</a> over health care reform.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/"><strong>Nourel Roubini&#8217;s Global EconoMonitor</strong></a> &#8211; From a Fortune magazine article titled <a href="http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0808/gallery.whosawitcoming.fortune/2.html"><em>Eight Who Saw the Crisis Coming</em></a> &#8211; &#8220;In 2005, Roubini said home prices were riding a speculative wave that would soon sink the economy. Back then the professor was called a Cassandra. Now he&#8217;s a sage.&#8221; His <a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/257506/roubini_project_syndicate_op-ed__a_phantom_economic_recovery">latest post</a> argues that economic recovery has not yet begun and that a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_dip_recession#W-shaped_recession">double-dip recession</a> is a real possibility. Oy.</li>
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<p>We&#8217;ll continue our survey of economy blogs in the days to come. </p>
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